Ahryun talks to Kenyatta Leal about how to build a better tech team today with returning citizens and the 360° support of Next Chapter.
“Regardless of our past, none of us is beyond redemption. And if we try hard enough, we can build a new way for our lives.” Kenyatta Leal
As part of our fireside chat series, GoodTime CEO Ahryun Moon sat down with Kenyatta Leal, Director of Reentry for Next Chapter to learn about the challenges of hiring returning citizens. They talk about the program’s beginnings, as well as the fears and stereotypes that returning citizens are forced to contend with upon release, and how talent leaders, executives, and entire companies can actively participate in this system-breaking initiative.
Founded by Slack in 2018, Next Chapter is a nonprofit organization that creates pathways for returning citizens to obtain gainful employment in the technology sector. To date, Next Chapter has placed 11 returning citizens across four companies, including Dropbox, Square, and Zoom.
The Last Mile
“My education was important to me, so I went back to school and got my degree. My family was important to me… I had to go back and rebuild those bonds. My community was important to me, so I began to seek out ways to add value to it, which at the time, was San Quentin. I became a tutor and a mentor in many programs, one of those being The Last Mile.”
Last Mile was originally launched in 2010 as an entrepreneurial program that connected participants with volunteer business leaders to develop business plans and pitches. Through this program, Kenyatta met Duncan Logan, (founder and CEO of RocketSpace). The two developed a connection, and Kenyatta asked Duncan if he would hire him upon release. Duncan said yes, and kept his word.
Slack and Next Chapter
Next Chapter Grows
Kenyatta left Rocketspace in 2018 to work with The Last Mile fulltime to develop Next Chapter, and create a transition plan for returning citizens to enter the tech sector workforce successfully. The following year, Next Chapter became an independent organization and now recruits candidates nationwide.
Excerpt of Q&A
AM: What are the biggest stereotypes returning citizens must face when transitioning to employment in the tech space?
KL: There are many, but the biggest one is: Once a criminal, always a criminal. That people coming out of prison are just going to commit more crimes. It’s reinforced by TV and movies. It’s the worst thing we see on the 6 o’clock news— this is what people believe about people in prison. Most people have never gone to a prison; they don’t know some of the challenges these folks have to deal with to reenter society.
People who are leaving incarcerated settings are often underestimated. People think they don’t have skill or they don’t have talent or they don’t have anything valuable to contribute to society, or even a company.
The Role of Fear
When I think of these stereotypes, what it all comes back to is fear. When people are coming out of prison, remember: they’re just that: They’re people. There are fathers and mothers and sisters and brothers. They’re made bad choices, obviously. But once they pay their debt to society, they should be able to come home and be able to build a life for themselves. We—out in the world, the taxpayers— we have an opportunity to decide what kind of world they come back to. Every single one of us has a role to play in this.
AM: How do HR leaders prepare for questions and concerns from their employees surrounding recruiting returning citizens?
KL: Get proximate to the issue of justice reform. Life is a process of growth and development and part of that growth is educating ourselves about people and issues, and the challenges people face coming home.
AM: What are key moves companies can take to insure successful implementation of this program?
KL: Find a champion who can work across teams and get buy in. Understand the issue, and create a space where people can share concerns. Our program focuses on support, and wraparound services so that they can be successful.
Hear Kenyatta’s personal story, and watch the full interview below.
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